Rep. 340a-b
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ναὶ μὰ Δί᾽ , ἔφη , ὦ Σώκρατες , ὁ Πολέμαρχος , σαφέστατά γε .
ἐὰν σύ γ᾽ , ἔφη , αὐτῷ μαρτυρήσῃς , ὁ Κλειτοφῶν ὑπολαβών .
καὶ τί , ἔφη , δεῖται μάρτυρος ; αὐτὸς γὰρ Θρασύμαχος ὁμολογεῖ τοὺς μὲν ἄρχοντας ἐνίοτε ἑαυτοῖς κακὰ προστάττειν , τοῖς δὲ δίκαιον εἶναι ταῦτα ποιεῖν .
τὸ γὰρ τὰ κελευόμενα ποιεῖν , ὦ Πολέμαρχε , ὑπὸ τῶν ἀρχόντων δίκαιον εἶναι ἔθετο Θρασύμαχος .
καὶ γὰρ τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος , ὦ Κλειτοφῶν , συμφέρον δίκαιον εἶναι ἔθετο . ταῦτα δὲ ἀμφότερα θέμενος ὡμολόγησεν αὖ ἐνίοτε τοὺς κρείττους τὰ αὑτοῖς ἀσύμφορα κελεύειν τοὺς ἥττους τε καὶ ἀρχομένους ποιεῖν . ἐκ δὲ τούτων τῶν ὁμολογιῶν οὐδὲν μᾶλλον τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος συμφέρον δίκαιον ἂν εἴη ἢ τὸ μὴ συμφέρον .
ἀλλ᾽ , ἔφη ὁ Κλειτοφῶν , τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος συμφέρον ἔλεγεν ὃ ἡγοῖτο ὁ κρείττων αὑτῷ συμφέρειν : τοῦτο ποιητέον εἶναι τῷ ἥττονι , καὶ τὸ δίκαιον τοῦτο ἐτίθετο .
ἀλλ᾽ οὐχ οὕτως , ἦ δ᾽ ὃς ὁ Πολέμαρχος , ἐλέγετο .
ἐὰν σύ γ᾽ , ἔφη , αὐτῷ μαρτυρήσῃς , ὁ Κλειτοφῶν ὑπολαβών .
καὶ τί , ἔφη , δεῖται μάρτυρος ; αὐτὸς γὰρ Θρασύμαχος ὁμολογεῖ τοὺς μὲν ἄρχοντας ἐνίοτε ἑαυτοῖς κακὰ προστάττειν , τοῖς δὲ δίκαιον εἶναι ταῦτα ποιεῖν .
τὸ γὰρ τὰ κελευόμενα ποιεῖν , ὦ Πολέμαρχε , ὑπὸ τῶν ἀρχόντων δίκαιον εἶναι ἔθετο Θρασύμαχος .
καὶ γὰρ τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος , ὦ Κλειτοφῶν , συμφέρον δίκαιον εἶναι ἔθετο . ταῦτα δὲ ἀμφότερα θέμενος ὡμολόγησεν αὖ ἐνίοτε τοὺς κρείττους τὰ αὑτοῖς ἀσύμφορα κελεύειν τοὺς ἥττους τε καὶ ἀρχομένους ποιεῖν . ἐκ δὲ τούτων τῶν ὁμολογιῶν οὐδὲν μᾶλλον τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος συμφέρον δίκαιον ἂν εἴη ἢ τὸ μὴ συμφέρον .
ἀλλ᾽ , ἔφη ὁ Κλειτοφῶν , τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος συμφέρον ἔλεγεν ὃ ἡγοῖτο ὁ κρείττων αὑτῷ συμφέρειν : τοῦτο ποιητέον εἶναι τῷ ἥττονι , καὶ τὸ δίκαιον τοῦτο ἐτίθετο .
ἀλλ᾽ οὐχ οὕτως , ἦ δ᾽ ὃς ὁ Πολέμαρχος , ἐλέγετο .
"
Yes
,
by
Zeus
,
Socrates
,
"
said
Polemarchus
,
"
nothing
could
be
more
conclusive
.
"
"
Of
course
,
"
said
Cleitophon
,
breaking
in
,
"
if
you
are
his
witness
.
"
1
"
What
need
is
there
of
a
witness
?
"
Polemarchus
said
.
"
Thrasymachus
himself
admits
that
the
rulers
sometimes
enjoin
what
is
evil
for
themselves
and
yet
says
that
it
is
just
for
the
subjects
to
do
this
.
"
"
That
,
Polemarchus
,
is
because
Thrasymachus
laid
it
down
that
it
is
just
to
obey
the
orders2
of
the
rulers
.
"
"
Yes
,
Cleitophon
,
but
he
also
took
the
position
that
the
advantage
of
the
stronger
is
just
.
And
after
these
two
assumptions
he
again
admitted
that
the
stronger
sometimes
bid
the
inferior
and
their
subjects
do
what
is
to
the
disadvantage
of
the
rulers
.
And
from
these
admissions
the
just
would
no
more
be
the
advantage
of
the
stronger
than
the
contrary
.
"
"
O
well
,
"
said
Cleitophon
,
"
by
the
advantage
of
the
superior
he
meant
what
the
superior
supposed
to
be
for
his
advantage
.
This
was
what
the
inferior
had
to
do
,
and
that
this
is
the
just
was
his
position
.
"
"
That
isn
'
t
what
he
said
,
"
replied
Polemarchus
.