Cicero- 10/21
Morgan Rostamian /
- Created on 2021-10-19 21:21:34
- Modified on 2021-10-20 05:43:32
- Aligned by Morgan Rostamian
Latin
English
Quid ? miserius quam omnino numquam fuisse ? ita , qui nondum nati sunt , miseri iam sunt , quia non sunt , et nos , si post mortem miseri futuri sumus , miseri fuimus ante quam nati . ego autem non commemini , ante quam sum natus , me miserum ; tu si meliore memoria es , velim scire , ecquid de te recordere .
Ita iocaris , quasi ego dicam eos miseros , qui nati non sint , et non eos miseros , qui mortui sunt .
Esse ergo eos dicis .
Immo , quia non sint , cum fuerint , eo miseros esse .
Ita iocaris , quasi ego dicam eos miseros , qui nati non sint , et non eos miseros , qui mortui sunt .
Esse ergo eos dicis .
Immo , quia non sint , cum fuerint , eo miseros esse .
What
,
more
so
than
not
to
have
existed
at
all
?
therefore
,
those
who
are
not
yet
born
,
are
miserable
because
they
are
not
;
and
we
ourselves
,
if
we
are
to
be
miserable
after
death
,
were
miserable
before
we
were
born
:
but
I
do
not
remember
that
I
was
miserable
before
I
was
born
;
and
I
should
be
glad
to
know
,
if
your
memory
is
better
,
what
you
recollect
of
yourself
before
you
were
born
.
You are pleasant ; as if I had said that those men are miserable who are not born , and not that they are so who are dead .
You say , then , that they are so ?
Yes , I say that because they no longer exist after having existed , they are miserable .
You are pleasant ; as if I had said that those men are miserable who are not born , and not that they are so who are dead .
You say , then , that they are so ?
Yes , I say that because they no longer exist after having existed , they are miserable .
Cicero DND Book 2 Section 4-6
Morgan Rostamian /
- Created on 2021-10-27 23:12:16
- Modified on 2021-11-16 21:13:16
- Translated by Ross
- Aligned by Morgan Rostamian
Latin
English
Tum Lucilius " Ne egere quidem videtur " inquit " oratione prima pars . Quid enim potest esse tam apertum tamque perspicuum , cum caelum suspeximus caelestiaque contemplati sumus , quam esse aliquod numen praestantissimae mentis quo haec regantur ? quod ni ita esset , qui potuisset adsensu omnium dicere Ennius
" aspice hoc sublime candens , quem invocant omnes Iovem "
—illum vero et Iovem et dominatorem rerum et omnia motu regentem et , ut idem Ennius , " patrem divumque hominumque " et praesentem ac praepotentem deum ? quod qui dubitet , haud sane intellego cur non idem sol sit an nullus sit dubitare possit ; qui enim est hoc illo evidentius ? Quod nisi cognitum conprehensumque animis haberemus , non tam stabilis opinio permaneret nec confirmaretur diuturnitate temporis nec una cum saeclis aetatibusque hominum inveterare potuisset . etenim videmus ceteras opiniones fictas atque vanas diuturnitate extabuisse . quis enim hippocentaurum fuisse aut Chimaeram putat , quaeve anus tam excors inveniri potest quae illa quae quondam credebantur apud inferos portenta extimescat ? opinionis enim commenta delet dies , naturae iudicia confirmat .
Itaque et in nostro populo et in ceteris deorum cultus religionumque sanctitates existunt in dies maiores atque meliores ; idque evenit non temere nec casu , sed quod et praesentes saepe di vim suam declarant , ut et apud Regillum bello Latinorum , cum A . Postumius dictator cum Octavio Mamillio Tusculano proelio dimicaret , in nostra acie Castor et Pollux ex equis pugnare visi sunt , et recentiore memoria idem Tyndaridae Persem victum nuntiaverunt . P . enim Vatinius avus huius adulescentis , cum e praefectura Reatina Romam venienti noctu duo iuvenes cum equis albis dixissent regem Persem illo die captum , cum senatui nuntiavisset , primo quasi temere de re publica locutus in carcerem coniectus est , post a Paulo litteris allatis cum idem dies constitisset , et agro a senatu et vacatione donatus est .
" aspice hoc sublime candens , quem invocant omnes Iovem "
—illum vero et Iovem et dominatorem rerum et omnia motu regentem et , ut idem Ennius , " patrem divumque hominumque " et praesentem ac praepotentem deum ? quod qui dubitet , haud sane intellego cur non idem sol sit an nullus sit dubitare possit ; qui enim est hoc illo evidentius ? Quod nisi cognitum conprehensumque animis haberemus , non tam stabilis opinio permaneret nec confirmaretur diuturnitate temporis nec una cum saeclis aetatibusque hominum inveterare potuisset . etenim videmus ceteras opiniones fictas atque vanas diuturnitate extabuisse . quis enim hippocentaurum fuisse aut Chimaeram putat , quaeve anus tam excors inveniri potest quae illa quae quondam credebantur apud inferos portenta extimescat ? opinionis enim commenta delet dies , naturae iudicia confirmat .
Itaque et in nostro populo et in ceteris deorum cultus religionumque sanctitates existunt in dies maiores atque meliores ; idque evenit non temere nec casu , sed quod et praesentes saepe di vim suam declarant , ut et apud Regillum bello Latinorum , cum A . Postumius dictator cum Octavio Mamillio Tusculano proelio dimicaret , in nostra acie Castor et Pollux ex equis pugnare visi sunt , et recentiore memoria idem Tyndaridae Persem victum nuntiaverunt . P . enim Vatinius avus huius adulescentis , cum e praefectura Reatina Romam venienti noctu duo iuvenes cum equis albis dixissent regem Persem illo die captum , cum senatui nuntiavisset , primo quasi temere de re publica locutus in carcerem coniectus est , post a Paulo litteris allatis cum idem dies constitisset , et agro a senatu et vacatione donatus est .
'
Very
well
,
'
said
Lucilius
,
'
but
the
first
proposition
-
that
divine
beings
exist
-
seems
to
need
no
words
of
mine
.
For
what
could
be
more
clear
and
obvious
,
when
we
look
up
to
the
sky
and
contemplate
the
heavens
,
than
that
there
is
some
divinity
of
superior
intelligence
,
by
which
they
are
con
trolled
?
If
it
were
not
so
,
how
could
Ennius
have
been
universally
applauded
when
he
wrote
:
' Lift up your eyes to that bright firmament , Which men call Jupiter ' ,
and not only Jupiter but the lord of the universe , who sways all nature by his nod and is , as Ennius says , " the father both of gods and men " , a present and a mighty god . If anyone doubts this , then so far as I can see he might just as well doubt the existence of the sun . For the one is as plain as the other . And if this were not clearly known and manifest to our intelligence , the faith of men would not have remained so constant , would not have deepened with the lapse of time , and taken ever firmer root throughout the ages and the generations of mankind . For we see that other superstitious beliefs and vain imaginings have died out with the passing years . For who today believes that the centaur or the chimaera ever existed ? Could anyone nowadays discover a single old gossip-woman so simple-minded that she fears such monsters of the underworld , in which men formerly believed ? Time washes away the fancies of imagination but confirms the judgements of nature . And so , both in our own country and in others , the worship of the gods and the sanctity of religion grow firmer and fairer day by day . And this does not happen blindly or by chance but because the gods time and again declare their presence .
' For example , at Lake Regillus in the Latin War , when Aulus Postumius was in command in the battle against Octavius Mamilius of Tusculum , Castor and Pollux were seen fighting on horseback in our ranks . And in more recent times they appeared to announce the defeat of Perses of Macedon . When Publius Vatinius , the grandfather of our young con temporary , was travelling by night to Rome from Reate , of which he was governor , two young men on white horses told him that Perses had been captured that very day , and when he arrived in Rome he announced it to the Senate . Whereupon he was promptly thrown into prison for contempt of the assembly . But afterwards , when dispatches from Paulus confirmed the king ' s capture on that very day , this same Vatinius was granted lands and special privileges by senatorial decree .
' Lift up your eyes to that bright firmament , Which men call Jupiter ' ,
and not only Jupiter but the lord of the universe , who sways all nature by his nod and is , as Ennius says , " the father both of gods and men " , a present and a mighty god . If anyone doubts this , then so far as I can see he might just as well doubt the existence of the sun . For the one is as plain as the other . And if this were not clearly known and manifest to our intelligence , the faith of men would not have remained so constant , would not have deepened with the lapse of time , and taken ever firmer root throughout the ages and the generations of mankind . For we see that other superstitious beliefs and vain imaginings have died out with the passing years . For who today believes that the centaur or the chimaera ever existed ? Could anyone nowadays discover a single old gossip-woman so simple-minded that she fears such monsters of the underworld , in which men formerly believed ? Time washes away the fancies of imagination but confirms the judgements of nature . And so , both in our own country and in others , the worship of the gods and the sanctity of religion grow firmer and fairer day by day . And this does not happen blindly or by chance but because the gods time and again declare their presence .
' For example , at Lake Regillus in the Latin War , when Aulus Postumius was in command in the battle against Octavius Mamilius of Tusculum , Castor and Pollux were seen fighting on horseback in our ranks . And in more recent times they appeared to announce the defeat of Perses of Macedon . When Publius Vatinius , the grandfather of our young con temporary , was travelling by night to Rome from Reate , of which he was governor , two young men on white horses told him that Perses had been captured that very day , and when he arrived in Rome he announced it to the Senate . Whereupon he was promptly thrown into prison for contempt of the assembly . But afterwards , when dispatches from Paulus confirmed the king ' s capture on that very day , this same Vatinius was granted lands and special privileges by senatorial decree .
Cicero TD 11/4
Morgan Rostamian /
- Created on 2021-10-30 23:07:04
- Modified on 2021-11-04 19:22:48
- Aligned by Morgan Rostamian
Latin
English
in primis enim hoc traditur : omne pronuntiatum ( sic enim mihi in praesentia occurrit ut appellarem axioma , — utar post alio , si invenero melius ) id ergo est pronuntiatum , quod est verum aut falsum . cum igitur dicis : ' miser M . Crassus ' , aut hoc dicis : ' miser est Crassus ' , ut possit iudicari , verum id falsumne sit , aut nihil dicis omnino .
Age , iam concedo non esse miseros , qui mortui sint , quoniam extorsisti , ut faterer , qui omnino non essent , eos ne miseros quidem esse posse .
Age , iam concedo non esse miseros , qui mortui sint , quoniam extorsisti , ut faterer , qui omnino non essent , eos ne miseros quidem esse posse .
As
if
it
did
not
follow
,
that
whatever
you
speak
of
in
that
manner
,
either
is
or
is
not
.
Are
you
not
acquainted
with
the
first
principles
of
logic
?
for
this
is
the
first
thing
they
lay
down
,
Whatever
is
asserted
,
(
for
that
is
the
best
way
that
occurs
to
me
,
at
the
moment
,
of
rendering
the
Greek
term
,
ἀξίομα
,
if
I
can
think
of
a
more
accurate
expression
hereafter
I
will
use
it
,
)
is
asserted
as
being
either
true
or
false
.
When
,
therefore
,
you
say
,
"
Miserable
M
.
Crassus
,
"
you
either
say
this
,
"
M
.
Crassus
is
miserable
,
"
so
that
some
judgment
may
be
made
whether
it
is
true
or
false
,
or
you
say
nothing
at
all
.
Well , then , I now own that the dead are not miserable , since you have drawn from me a concession , that they who do not exist at all , cannot be miserable .
Well , then , I now own that the dead are not miserable , since you have drawn from me a concession , that they who do not exist at all , cannot be miserable .
Cicero TD 11/18
Morgan Rostamian /
- Created on 2021-11-15 22:05:56
- Modified on 2021-11-18 02:45:53
- Aligned by Morgan Rostamian
Latin
English
sed haec quidem quae dixi , cor , cerebrum , animam , ignem volgo , reliqua fere singuli . ut multo ante veteres , proxime autem Aristoxenus , musicus idemque philosophus , ipsius corporis intentionem quandam , velut in cantu et fidibus quae harmonia dicitur : sic ex corporis totius natura et figura varios motus cieri tamquam in cantu sonos . Xenocrates animi figuram et quasi corpus negavit esse ullum , numerum dixit esse , cuius vis , ut iam ante Pythagorae visum erat , in natura maxuma esset . eius doctor Plato triplicem finxit animum , cuius principatum , id est rationem , in capite sicut in arce posuit , et duas partes parere voluit , iram et cupiditatem , quas locis disclusit : iram in pectore , cupiditatem subter praecordia locavit .
Now
the
views
I
have
mentioned
,
that
the
soul
is
heart
,
brain
,
life
or
fire
are
those
ordinarily
held
:
the
remaining
views
are
as
a
rule
peculiar
to
individual
thinkers
,
just
as
philosophers
of
old
held
individual
views
long
ago
,
but
nearest
in
date
to
our
time
there
was
Aristoxenus
,
musician
as
well
as
philosopher
,
who
held
the
soul
to
be
a
special
tuning-up
of
the
natural
body
analogous
to
that
which
is
called
harmony
in
vocal
and
instrumental
music
;
answering
to
the
nature
and
conformation
of
the
whole
body
,
vibrations
of
different
kinds
are
produced
just
as
sounds
are
in
vocal
music
:
this
thinker
has
not
gone
outside
the
limits
of
his
own
art
,
but
all
the
same
he
has
made
a
contribution
of
value
,
the
proper
meaning
of
which
had
long
before
been
plainly
stated
by
Plato
.
Xenocrates
denied
that
the
soul
had
form
or
any
substance
,
but
said
that
it
was
number
,
and
the
power
of
number
,
as
had
been
held
by
Pythagoras
long
before
,
was
the
highest
in
nature
.
His
teacher
Plato
imagined
the
soul
to
be
of
three-fold
nature
;
the
sovereign
part
,
that
is
reason
,
he
placed
in
the
head
as
the
citadel
,
and
the
other
two
parts
,
anger
and
desire
,
he
wished
to
be
subservient
,
and
these
he
fixed
in
their
places
,
anger
in
the
breast
and
desire
below
the
diaphragm
.
Final Project
Morgan Rostamian /
- Created on 2021-11-26 23:15:47
- Modified on 2021-12-01 22:35:23
- Translated by Ross
- Aligned by Morgan Rostamian
Latin
English
Tum Lucilius " Ne egere quidem videtur " inquit " oratione prima pars . Quid enim potest esse tam apertum tamque perspicuum , cum caelum suspeximus caelestiaque contemplati sumus , quam esse aliquod numen praestantissimae mentis quo haec regantur ? quod ni ita esset , qui potuisset adsensu omnium dicere Ennius
" aspice hoc sublime candens , quem invocant omnes Iovem "
—illum vero et Iovem et dominatorem rerum et omnia motu regentem et , ut idem Ennius , " patrem divumque hominumque " et praesentem ac praepotentem deum ? quod qui dubitet , haud sane intellego cur non idem sol sit an nullus sit dubitare possit ; qui enim est hoc illo evidentius ? Quod nisi cognitum conprehensumque animis haberemus , non tam stabilis opinio permaneret nec confirmaretur diuturnitate temporis nec una cum saeclis aetatibusque hominum inveterare potuisset . etenim videmus ceteras opiniones fictas atque vanas diuturnitate extabuisse . quis enim hippocentaurum fuisse aut Chimaeram putat , quaeve anus tam excors inveniri potest quae illa quae quondam credebantur apud inferos portenta extimescat ? opinionis enim commenta delet dies , naturae iudicia confirmat . Itaque et in nostro populo et in ceteris deorum cultus religionumque sanctitates existunt in dies maiores atque meliores ; idque evenit non temere nec casu , sed quod et praesentes saepe di vim suam declarant .
Ut et apud Regillum bello Latinorum , cum A . Postumius dictator cum Octavio Mamillio Tusculano proelio dimicaret , in nostra acie Castor et Pollux ex equis pugnare visi sunt , et recentiore memoria idem Tyndaridae Persem victum nuntiaverunt . P . enim Vatinius avus huius adulescentis , cum e praefectura Reatina Romam venienti noctu duo iuvenes cum equis albis dixissent regem Persem illo die captum , cum senatui nuntiavisset , primo quasi temere de re publica locutus in carcerem coniectus est , post a Paulo litteris allatis cum idem dies constitisset , et agro a senatu et vacatione donatus est .
" aspice hoc sublime candens , quem invocant omnes Iovem "
—illum vero et Iovem et dominatorem rerum et omnia motu regentem et , ut idem Ennius , " patrem divumque hominumque " et praesentem ac praepotentem deum ? quod qui dubitet , haud sane intellego cur non idem sol sit an nullus sit dubitare possit ; qui enim est hoc illo evidentius ? Quod nisi cognitum conprehensumque animis haberemus , non tam stabilis opinio permaneret nec confirmaretur diuturnitate temporis nec una cum saeclis aetatibusque hominum inveterare potuisset . etenim videmus ceteras opiniones fictas atque vanas diuturnitate extabuisse . quis enim hippocentaurum fuisse aut Chimaeram putat , quaeve anus tam excors inveniri potest quae illa quae quondam credebantur apud inferos portenta extimescat ? opinionis enim commenta delet dies , naturae iudicia confirmat . Itaque et in nostro populo et in ceteris deorum cultus religionumque sanctitates existunt in dies maiores atque meliores ; idque evenit non temere nec casu , sed quod et praesentes saepe di vim suam declarant .
Ut et apud Regillum bello Latinorum , cum A . Postumius dictator cum Octavio Mamillio Tusculano proelio dimicaret , in nostra acie Castor et Pollux ex equis pugnare visi sunt , et recentiore memoria idem Tyndaridae Persem victum nuntiaverunt . P . enim Vatinius avus huius adulescentis , cum e praefectura Reatina Romam venienti noctu duo iuvenes cum equis albis dixissent regem Persem illo die captum , cum senatui nuntiavisset , primo quasi temere de re publica locutus in carcerem coniectus est , post a Paulo litteris allatis cum idem dies constitisset , et agro a senatu et vacatione donatus est .
'
Very
well
,
'
said
Lucilius
,
'
but
the
first
proposition
-
that
divine
beings
exist
-
seems
to
need
no
words
of
mine
.
For
what
could
be
more
clear
and
obvious
,
when
we
look
up
to
the
sky
and
contemplate
the
heavens
,
than
that
there
is
some
divinity
of
superior
intelligence
,
by
which
they
are
controlled
?
If
it
were
not
so
,
how
could
Ennius
have
been
universally
applauded
when
he
wrote
:
' Lift up your eyes to that bright firmament , Which men call Jupiter ' ,
and not only Jupiter but the lord of the universe , who sways all nature by his nod and is , as Ennius says , " the father both of gods and men " , a present and a mighty god . If anyone doubts this , then so far as I can see he might just as well doubt the existence of the sun . For the one is as plain as the other . And if this were not clearly known and manifest to our intelligence , the faith of men would not have remained so constant , would not have deepened with the lapse of time , and taken ever firmer root throughout the ages and the generations of mankind . For we see that other superstitious beliefs and vain imaginings have died out with the passing years . For who today believes that the centaur or the chimaera ever existed ? Could anyone nowadays discover a single old gossip-woman so simple-minded that she fears such monsters of the underworld , in which men formerly believed ? Time washes away the fancies of imagination but confirms the judgements of nature . And so , both in our own country and in others , the worship of the gods and the sanctity of religion grow firmer and fairer day by day . And this does not happen blindly or by chance but because the gods time and again declare their presence .
' For example , at Lake Regillus in the Latin War , when Aulus Postumius was in command in the battle against Octavius Mamilius of Tusculum , Castor and Pollux were seen fighting on horseback in our ranks . And in more recent times they appeared to announce the defeat of Perses of Macedon . When Publius Vatinius , the grandfather of our young con temporary , was travelling by night to Rome from Reate , of which he was governor , two young men on white horses told him that Perses had been captured that very day , and when he arrived in Rome he announced it to the Senate . Whereupon he was promptly thrown into prison for contempt of the assembly . But afterwards , when dispatches from Paulus confirmed the king ' s capture on that very day , this same Vatinius was granted lands and special privileges by senatorial decree .
' Lift up your eyes to that bright firmament , Which men call Jupiter ' ,
and not only Jupiter but the lord of the universe , who sways all nature by his nod and is , as Ennius says , " the father both of gods and men " , a present and a mighty god . If anyone doubts this , then so far as I can see he might just as well doubt the existence of the sun . For the one is as plain as the other . And if this were not clearly known and manifest to our intelligence , the faith of men would not have remained so constant , would not have deepened with the lapse of time , and taken ever firmer root throughout the ages and the generations of mankind . For we see that other superstitious beliefs and vain imaginings have died out with the passing years . For who today believes that the centaur or the chimaera ever existed ? Could anyone nowadays discover a single old gossip-woman so simple-minded that she fears such monsters of the underworld , in which men formerly believed ? Time washes away the fancies of imagination but confirms the judgements of nature . And so , both in our own country and in others , the worship of the gods and the sanctity of religion grow firmer and fairer day by day . And this does not happen blindly or by chance but because the gods time and again declare their presence .
' For example , at Lake Regillus in the Latin War , when Aulus Postumius was in command in the battle against Octavius Mamilius of Tusculum , Castor and Pollux were seen fighting on horseback in our ranks . And in more recent times they appeared to announce the defeat of Perses of Macedon . When Publius Vatinius , the grandfather of our young con temporary , was travelling by night to Rome from Reate , of which he was governor , two young men on white horses told him that Perses had been captured that very day , and when he arrived in Rome he announced it to the Senate . Whereupon he was promptly thrown into prison for contempt of the assembly . But afterwards , when dispatches from Paulus confirmed the king ' s capture on that very day , this same Vatinius was granted lands and special privileges by senatorial decree .